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Telekom wants to change DSL over to “rate adaptive one”
or also directly announce under https://ram-pilot.t-home.de/ typical Telekom Verarschung: … also more maximally Speed - and why is then used only ADSL-1? I had until before well 1.5 years DSL3000 at the Telekom, more went not, now have I good 8MBit/s with Versaterl by ADSL2+ and RAM technology. At the Telekom I could offer sometime in the distant future (to see we the pilot test also straight times 20tsnd testers times outside forwards frhstens starting from Juni08) by most modern technology those the innovative enterprise to the customer want maximally 6000er RAM DSL to in the future then have, which would result in 5000-5500kbit/s in the case of me perhaps completely positively meant  Why do those make actually never which correctly at the Telekom??? 
Property me the test conditions read. You say the test are RAM with normal ADSL, amusingly however that the testers all an ADSL to 2+ capable terminal to compellingly necessarily have must (stands into the FAQ). Tja?? That would nevertheless not necessarily be if only normal ADSL technology is used. Or does RAM ADSL go only with ADSL to 2+ capable terminals although only normal ADSL is used because otherwise RATE ADAPTIVE not struck??? Greet Jo Edit: Haste right in the description stands for ADSL 1 (thus to 6000) Me no matter, my connection is at the technically feasible border I the appropriate people with the T-Com know there anyway (all neighbours have 384 DSL and I 2000). With rate adaptive probably the Sync would be smaller than now with fixer Aushandlung. Quotation:
My Meckern referred only to the fact that completely aged technology, where there is also no reason these to still develop, which as the absolutely inovatives feature is sold to customers. I have ADSL2+ and RAM (if one it calls, with ADSL2+ believes I also eh standard in such a way) for 1.5 years and that completely stably! , give does at least with Versatel for at least 2.5 years. From therefore it ADSL1 is + RAM a joke, at least if one makes still largely Trara drum and the absolutely feasible means in no case, how it anpreist the web page. Otherwise I would say: RAM will never be slower like firmly preset speed, and/or if it should be slower, in addition, then are the before stopped fixed connecting rate at the absolute limit and the line might more than frequently together break Geb I you quite normally should test those ADSL 2+ on high distances and not ADSL. If someone ADSL 1500 e.g. has, and one changes over on ADSL 2+ which eh guess/advise adaptive is, has it 3 subject the modulation rate which would normally mean, ideally it would have DSL 4-6000 depending on as expenditure-provokes the line with ADSL was. I do not believe only the T-Com want ANYTHING into the nets to invest therefore bleibts with the ADSL, and advance toward the discussions also to low speed. Which means, today 384 DSLer with SNR values of 22 railways became possibly when good line more highly syncen, and strongly the speed of the line quality and the loss problem and the discussions with the customer automatically adapt overloaded or closely wired lines with high DSL speeds lower there with technical Herabstufung because of overloading been void. With us the line will wire from the number of DSL of connections ago which goes. It would be only interesting where the SNR threshold is attached like to much railways. According to technology with ADSL with approximately 9 the railways are not normally switch the T-Com according to Schaltstelle below 11 railways SNR thereby stable enterprise are ensured. To your expression I would like to refer to my ADSL lie with 8 railways in down and up-to-date between 9-10 railways in the UP. This is so the lowest border for a stable enterprise with little air however. Therefore I believe during adaptive circuit in the evening that I no full 2000 more would have if the SNR into the knees go. Hello Trail interesting, I have Fritz (! Box) 7050 and places itself the question whether this guesses adaptation for be used can?  Fixed rate, indicates the HTML Tool in the Web to me, goes to 3000. At present I use however only 1000 and see an improvement, if ADSL RA to 6000 is offered. However one must probably limit the negotiatable bit rate anyway upward, so that one does not risk continuous breaks. Conditions in the bundles (close and remote cross modulation) change with the load! A dynamic adjustment of the volume rate without resynch probably does not give it (still). A beautiful weekend VoIP Freak Yes, the Fritz boxes can do all also guess adaptive. Only with some, stands then in the place Aushandlung seems to me in the menu nothing. Go does however. Newest info. have directly from the technology of the T-Com. The pilot runs as admits with ADSL the T-Com the conversion of all connections to ADSL2+ (as it the competition makes) there is too expensive. The pilot goes from January to June also well-known. If this is successfully locked, about which is gone out because one with the competition that already observed, ALL ADSL connections T-Com are presumably changed over to rate adaptive. Presumably starting from in the middle of 2008. Therefore all should mean too low DSL a circuit to have in something patience to practice there then anyway, the maximum possible lie close themselves. To the technology actually according to T-Com technology. (the T-Com of devices goes through, since the modems gave producer-independent after T-Com be blocked must) With rate adaptive the SNR will latch itself in the Downstream with 6 railways (very low). It will lose and will again negotiate the Sync starting from approximately 2 railways. Which bedeuted he will possibly negotiate a lower bit rate. This will be the problem the more strongly the DSL at the limit drives and does it with 6 railways SNR, the more strongly varies it above all evening, which can lead to frequent Sync losses. That would mean one should the modem in the evening at the point time syncen to leave, if one did not like to lose several times on the day sync these into the knees goes in the evening there if all on-line is (and naturally then if one makes a down load without Downloadmanager). Naturally one has then the lowest bit rate, but presumably no Sync loss. Here AVM will be allowed to readjust the Fritz with boxes strongly with the DSL modem with a firmware update, since these come with a so low SNR badly by right. But as one sees on it is already worked. the new laboratory of the 7170 for connections with high absorption functions even at my connection without large (carriage return character) errors and with low SNR with only 5 railways relatively stably. whereby my speed haven 701 is better and under same conditions always 8 railways indicates, from which T-Com confirms technology, has although also from AVM a better modem in it, there this default of the T-Com was according to AVM. Greetings Jo Hmm I would have there times a question, a) there is here user, which announced themselves to this RAM test in the forum b) if, one has the user a feedback from the T Home/Telekom - shelters get, all the same whether positive or negative answer. mfg Holger except verification email for the email account did not come anything. I mean to have read that an examination runs now and in January final report effected. Perhaps do they want dear 384-1000er DSL than the 3000-6000er?? Or nevertheless in reverse? We will see… bye Jiro Thanks, so it was with me also. mfg Holger I directly again logged out yourself, as I read that it eh only bad DSL 6000 goes. That have I eh and starting from Wednesday then full steam with 16.000 I announced myself times with VDSL50: P times look which happened, perhaps look they there also times which goes… Hello range-flexible, does someone have experience with already guesses adaptation mode (RAM)?  With the connection was an upper limit specified for the range and around which connection port (ADSL 1000/2000/6000, 2+) does act it itself? Is there increases breaks, z. B. in the evening hours? One hears bit error with VoIP Vbdg. - if relevant? How is the name of the Internet Providers?Best thanks first  Beautiful weekend  VoIP Freak It reads you simply times left in first posting, there stands in it that the test will start only at the beginning of 2008. With a good hearing knows one determines bit errors hear 
@VOIP-Freak 1. the test runs still not, but only starting from in the middle of January 2008. 2. look times in contribution #3 which with jo2080 under Edit is located there. mfg Holger [quote=Ecki-No1; 978708] It reads you simply times left in first posting, there stands in it that the test will start only at the beginning of 2008. [/OUOTE] To clarification: The TOI goes around empirical value with other Provider than. Quotation:
I had proceeded in such a way from PCM, G.711 and around the 10-3 (“and which one changes each time if possible the MSB). Also brush errors are good and nearly path, because then the Interleaver is switched off. As far as I can remember, VoIP Sprachdaten run over UDP/RTP without FEC. Further questions VoIP Freak Quotation:
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one does not know fallings with the Noise Margin so far with the Syn. that the synchronisation breaks off directly again. Depends naturally also on the allocation of the bundle and the activity. Normally the benchmark figures are like that around 6 and 0 railways. I thought, someone have times a pair of values, absorption of the DSL for the upper limit of the range. If not, then evenly you a beautiful weekendVoIP Freak Hello, are enough to you these values Quotation:
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mfg Holger those are of my kastrierten 6,000 DSL connection Experiences with rate adaptive one must have Alice customers, there also with ADSL always the maximally possible rate were switched, adaptive, the range then on the ordered limited internally. I did not have for some months times at a connection, there gave it problems, with a FBF classic, however no Screenshots had o. the details more. That was in the case in connection of QSC. Also Telefonica began at its connections. So far I white weren however with these offerers now if at all possible ADSL2+ of connections switched. Quotation:
Kritsch are z. B. DSL 6000 As, with those z. B. according to Web Tool (“availability information”) only 3000 (fixed guess/advise) would be possible. One then probably does not pull a Obergenze with 3000 or? already rather with 6 railways?  In order to have an increase. With DSL this M. makes 1000. E. in most cases probably rather only 1000 ordered no sense, one.You a beautiful weekend VoIP Freak Hello, I read straight hopeful your interesting discussion. @jo2080 you have a T-DSL 2304/448 of T-Com with a conduit length of 6,54 km and a signal-to-noise ratio of 5-6dB. I am 5.2 km far away with a signal-to-noise ratio from recently around the 15dB and the T-Com-technicians try for me to make clear that I with my max. 384 KB at the absolute feasibility border is and also no improvement to expect is. Do you participate in an attempt/a test or why fold with you, what with me seems impossible? Do not surprise. With Vitamin B much is possible with the Terrorkom. This “pilot test” is nevertheless also only joke. This chaos association needs over one year, in order to offer “possibly” all its customers somewhat, which is already switched at home and abroad with other offerers for years. I am in the rest of a DSL384-Leidensgenosse since July 2007. Before I had 5 years problem-free DSL768. The line values are even better become since the haven conversion, which does not interest this Telekomiker simply. My hope arranges itself now on April 2008, starting from this time is it to Bitstream to give. Who deals in such a way with its customers… On the one hand I have 9 railways in down around 8 railways with my 2000er partly. this is in the framework, the problem is only if the absorption is high varies the connection more strongly e.g. in the evening. with me the connection oscillates then from 8 to 1 railways down. With this fluctuation only the speed haven 701 with the previous firmware comes rightfully or the 900 it with the current Firm. All other modems (routing modems) fail. Exactly that is the reason why the T-Com says it goes no longer. Because you then all usual market modems rout without problems use can, and NO aborts have. Those have no desire constant error messages to take the money if you Fritz a box have. With me those does not go any longer without frequent aborts. to 2. I participate in the attempt, with my other DSL connection. That has holds, a genuine DSL 1000 with 7050 m conduit length line however 0.6 m cross section continuous. this has 15 railways SNR in down and 19 railways in the UP. Stop is ne good line. Here officially only 384 one got. With 384 circuit had the line 24 railways in down. Quotation:
What did you have for worth with 768 and now with 384???? the same problem with my 2 had. DSL 1000 connection possibly teled… mine since 1.5 years existing 1000er on 384 had abruptly down-turned. On call hies it no longer technically possible. I did not mean only it am me asses, have thereupon called whether something would have changed in wiring. invariably, which to me also the high SNR railways worth said. none knew and wanted mine DSL 1000 more to give oneself, with notice threatened. got calls however none changed something. then at the technology responsible for me address called (me the service has t-com mentioned). and me with a technician to connect there leave described, and to that that. that wanted me also first abwimmeln saw it nevertheless however then as it noticed I knows itself from additional criterion was the good SNR worth there, and that the line was not changed. The colleagues of the net care can make that, those shorten the line artificially and gaukeln for the server a shorter line forwards, already can the higher DSL be booked. then the conduit length is again corrected. schwupps you have a faster connection. If you announce too many disturbances are it as fast away as you it got. [quote=jo2080; 979536 to 2. I participate in the attempt, with my other DSL connection. That has holds, a genuine DSL 1000 with 7050 m conduit length line however 0.6 m cross section continuous. [/quote] You have already a firm promise, because according to Telekom the promises did not out-go yet. mfg Holger one does not assure gets none in former times also I. likewise I cannot say whether I thereby am. that decides also t-com as with all different. here I do not have a bonus. Thus you belong also to the club of the “waiting”. mfg Holger Quotation:
Something no miracle does not tune if you umgeklemmt with your line/haven. the worth and error show that. on the other hand my 2000er line is genuine class. 5 railways in down is genuinly fire at with the interconnect capacitance. according to Fritz I have scarcely 3000 interconnect capacitance, and 8-9 railways SNR with speed haven. with DSL 1000 I have 18 railways SNR in down. there your 5 railways with 768 is genuinly mickrig, there must you problems have constantly had. which you have now during the day for worth with your 384, if those are not much better, you must be glad that those you at all DSL to have given. with 5 railways surprises me like you at all the 768 got. your building connection line would know also one problem-places its, test also times nen other fragment. with 5 railways in the SNR in down also nobody would give me a high circuit obwohlich very good contacts has. my 8-9 railways in down is already lower bound. I had even at the similar haven never problems. After a violent storm I became times on another line peeled, because away had old the one. No notion of when the screen SHOT was (eat brook age-old). Usually the value within the range 12-21 moved depending upon time of day with DSL768 before the castration on DSL384 in July. I am occupied with the whole [beep] only since these [beep] that Telekom. Nevertheless please times screen SHOT with your Fritzbox7170, my values you find Mach further above http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showpos...4&postcount=24 . HP: The speed, with which contributions become “censored” here, I would wish myself also of the “Telekom”. But o.k. the “Telekom” is the customer-friendliest enterprise of Germany, which naturally always deals with customer's requests. It had the most current and error free data bases, creates probably nevertheless within a yearly the own EDP to change over, so that RAM is orderable. Really first-class. The castration of connections only good and for the well-being of the customer is naturally meant. Hello, how I learn thus here straight,/the T-Com wants also with the lame lines will reequip. I can m.H. the information, which supplies the FB to me with recognizes? According to overview have I: Infinion 113.29-H3 ADSL (International Telecommunication Union G.992.1) annex B Quotation:
I made only good experiences, if times unfriendlier or fully more looser to is present and try again.Now to the screen SHOT that I had not seen, your values am well however your spectrum am ne disaster in the lower frequency band already so many gaps am probable there already, liegts to it, with the verweigerung of the upgrades. I have in the frequency band from 64 to 176 only 2 gaps. whereby I do not use that DSL modem my Fritz box. But nevertheless a DSL 1000 would have to go with you. The pilot attempt provokes me also much What means it, is with this current values slight improvements in it? Interconnect capacitance kBit/s 2224 796 At data rate kBit/s 448 96 Utilizable data rate kBit/s 406 87 Latency path interleaved interleaved Latency ms 16 16 Frame Coding rate kBit/s 32 32 FEC Coding rate kBit/s 64 32 Trellis Coding rate kBit/s 116 52 Aushandlung fixed fixed Signal/intoxication tolerance railways 17 26 Line loss railways 64 32 Status 4ebc 6 Current connection: DSL Light Thanks you Quotation:
I would look also in the Internet in the DSL availability Tools, which speed is at all possible. And then it looks whether rate adaptation makes at all sense. With me at 1000 and 2000 surely not. My box shows also 7 Mbps at and in the Web GUI however only 3 Mbps is indicated. In all other respects it will give a sicherliche upper limit in the range. One must decide also further, which T-DSL one would like to have z. B. 1000, 2000 or 6000.A beautiful weekend VoIP Freak Quotation:
The pilot run now slowly on. It according to terminals sorts the testers written down and step by step changed over. 2 (+2FP) profiles are used 128 - 2000 kBit for customer the DSL 2000 with relapse option had. and 2000 - 6000 for customers those the DSL 6000 with relapse option had. The whole with and without Fastpath. Who had announced itself can over a special side at FAQ https://ram-pilot.t-home.de/?site=togk Thanks for the left with me the following stands: Quotation:
mfg Holger On 18.1. a Besttigungsmail came that I was selected and that it to 22.1. loose-go became. To 21.1. was it then already approximately approx. 22:30 so far. Port T-DSL 6000 with FP (Call&Surf Comfort2/T-Net), before times adjusted to 3072/384. The thing runs now with utilizable data rate 6090/60x as per. Interface. So far stably also under full load. Hello, I received yesterday a report dert to T-Com. My conversion to DSL RAM 6000 takes place in the night from Monday on Tuesday. I am strained like a tearing elbow. Those here are by the way my current values with the,50 Fritz box 7270 Interconnect capacitance kBit/s 7092 780 Current data rate kBit/s 2304 224 Latency 16 ms 16 ms Bitswap out out Signal/signal-to-noise ratio railways 19 18 Line loss railways 48 31 Power-CUT-bake railways 0 0 hello 30.01.2008 my 2 becomes. ter DSL connection so far 1000 it aouf DSL 2000 RAM umgeschalten are strained, which gives a line with 7050 m length. According to my estimate an adequate 2000er. I will report. Greet Jo P.S. when my other line see down it probably not much would have brought, since in the Downstream at the limit runs anyway. Also I belong to that lucky guinea pigs and become to 29. changed over. Momentarily I have a Fritz box 7170 with firmware 29.04.39 and dsmod. DSL1500, now changed over to DSL2000 RAM. The DSL1500 does not run straight stably (however firmware was already substantially better) with one ages, durschnittlich 2-3 reconnects daily. Me would naturally rather be a 24h Dauerconnect. From 1500 on dynamic 2000 degrees are not particularly much, I are times strained, probably oscillate themselves then nevertheless again at 1500. Naja, wenns progress serves. I have here still another Spairon AR-860 to lie, should I rather that use and then the net entrance over LAN-A manufacture or those Fritz will pack? Or can one to change the hardware also still during the pilot attempt over see, what happens in such a way? Not which I run the risk to turn me the neck off. My conversion to RAM took place last night around 22:56 clock. After 2 GB, which I loaded straight testweise, I must say; so far the line runs constantly Details see screen print. Thumbs UP for T-Com *g* I was changed over also already last night against 23 o'clock. The whole took only few minutes. Short time gave it later again a separation, since the line stands so far stably. In the Download I hardly felt a speed increase of 1500 on 2000. However my Upstream doubled itself. That becomes already very positively apparent (evenly degrees with the high shop of the pictures). I hope, run stably, then one can voipen finally halfway reasonably. Altogether in the comparison with a DSL16000 or a VDSL25000/50000 a joke is natural, but one must be being sufficient SAM. Thus I received the other day also the report that I am changed over coming night. Property so far only one TDSL light with 384kb and is already very strained, which probably expects me there tomorrow morning. See times…. Announce me again if the change-over took place. TC, one must assume in the meantime, who received so far still no further message may not along-test? Hello DocAdams you have once the left in #38 called, possibly more information are then indicated to you there? mfg Holger I got also still no answer/date. up to the 18.2. is probably still hope. Whether those really 6000 people together-get have? we will see… bye Jiro Quotation:
My question was, when it ends “starting from beginning” and with which it ends, with a E-Mail refusal or with silence
Rear forum, So now I was and-placed to Signa also on RAM 2000 and use for it the speed haven W701 V with DS_Mod 15-26,2 her. Vohrer Lietungskapa approx. 3523 down and 940 updown Gross AT of 864 down 160 updown Net AT of 783 down 145 updown Now since the conversion 19:43 clock 29.1.2008 Leitingskapa approx. 3400 down and 922 updown Gross AT of 2575 down and 534 updown Net AT of 2322 down and 502 updown Connection stands and has approx. 1GB already runtergeldaen and high-loaded 1 GB. Down according to Firefox approx. 280kbs average and 57 kbs cut through. Must times see like that by day behaves. Which me however does not surprise with the Aushandlung stands like meant “adapative” separates still “fixed”. Has which with the modem to add? Hello Jiro It gave so far I somewhere read 50,000 registrations. Even 7,000 testers are to have been selected after unconfirmed information. Whether all are written down already, I cannot say. I belong also to the lucky, which are thereby. I had actually only a 384er and have for yesterday 2000 (hopefully stably). However my signal-to-noise ratios are at the border, thus more go now in no case. I participated however already once in a similar pilot (coworker t Com) and had there stable 1000. The circuit was cancelled at that time however not. Greeting Klaus dimmu one can only congratulate Hello of people, so my connection was switched tonight to RAM. I had before only T-DSL light with 384kb down and 96kb UP. Now I have 1073kb down and 261kb UP! The line runs up to now very stably, none resync, falls or something similar. Are very content. Congratulations! recent times start: 700 MT a Filmchen with stage6 pull last now only 1.5h. One can make that nevertheless times, or? I remember still times, where one had telekom XXL, thus Saturday and Sundays freely to telephone could. One stood against 7 o'clock on Sunday on around still 2 free a choice numbers for ISDN in any nest to find, in order to remain on-line then all day long. Hey, 14.4k/s hammer! There is DSL1000 nevertheless already the pure luxury, or? bye Jiro Quotation:
Thus I spoke with that people of the TK and did not say more go not because the box already with hsten which the DSL line give myself connection. With an interconnect capacitance from approx. 3200kbs is not probably more in it. Today by an acquaintance for assistance with his DSL connection one asked. Went nothing more. He had gotten ne info. by Mail however that today the RAM pilot starts with him and current firmware on its rout be should. Thus I it today the V.45 on his W701v geflasht. Still nothing went. The Hotline recommended to load then still another Patch on the box. Afterwards it ran perfectly. Were others allowed to make also such experiences? Is the W701v suitable normally only for connections with fixed rate? As you into my Signa lessen can use I the speed haven W 701V up to now without the Hotfix of the T-Com. The box selects the hste connection with fixed mode. Beautifully! White someone has which purpose of the Hotfix, and/or. which it changes? No however those can adapt the lines. 1000er DSL had now guesses adaptive 2000 with me nen. My connection gesynct always also in the evening on full 2000. Speed haven 900 at the limit. (carriage return character) error approx. 7000 in 10 minutes. Surfen almost not possibly very slowly-acting there actually only data scrap iron arrived. Download likewise. Today and sees there (carriage return character) error lodges a complaint about 100 also with low SNR in the hour. AVM writes to 120 (carriage return character) per grants is normal. Surfen goes well and downloads is also like that as with my other 2000er. Those asks is only, what is if all lines on RAM peeled become. Disturbances will increase and the capacity will sink. Winners will be only the 384, 768 and ev the 1000er connections. Yes, this Hotfix works in the RAM mode better because those the speed haven W 701 V within upper range lower range of problems made in the test. I.E. problems in RAM 1000 and RAM 6000. Better said fashions of the box wants with the MAX MARKS speed to always negotiate itself. If then can es= comes no connection zustannde is however not given. Thus said to me two technicians from the TK the box first tested. RAM mode does not work with the box optimal. These rehearse has however only up to now the 701er. I became to 30.1. changed over to DSL RAM. But only to my prehistory: I could not get 2002 at the Telekom a DSL, therefore I had ordered DSL with 1&1 as a company and had gotten DSL 768 at one time. After I have a line loss of 55 railways, I did not get the higher range when switching DSL 768 to DSL 1000 automatically. More was apparent not possible with my conduit length of approx. 5 km. I quit existing ISDN connection at the Telekom in the last year my DSL with 1&1 and mine switched to call & Surf basic ISDN with DSL 2000, got however only as before DSL 768. In December I heard then of of the pilot enterprise DSL RAM and registered me, cannot not harm. Last night I returned home and looked on my Fritz box 7050, which I had DSL now. To my joy I discovered a DSL 2000, what is now suddenly possible, despite an absorption of 55 railways. Why was this not in former times possible? I hope that I am not shifted back after the end of the pilot attempt again to DSL 768. Hello, now went some time into the country and I am actually completely inspired from the new speed (if I see the 3km from here remove VDSL am available, shrink the enthusiasm also fast again). Particularly in the Upload becomes apparent with me. By 192 to 400 is genuinly noticeable. However it comes with me several times daily (particularly on weekends) to short Disconnects of the Fritz box 7170. I have in the meantime firmware design 29.04.49-ds26-pre16 drauf, that not much brought. Code: 09.02.08 17:46: 37 Internet connection one separated. 09.02.08 17:46: 38 PPPoE errors: Exceeding the time. 09.02.08 17:46: 31 DSL is available (DSL synchronization exists with 2304/448 kbit/s). 09.02.08 17:46: Begins 21 DSL synchronization (training). 09.02.08 17:46: 17 Internet connection one separated. 09.02.08 17:46: Does not answer 17 DSL (no DSL synchronization).I attached then also times the Sphairon AR860E and the Internet connection over LAN-A made, seem to be more stable. Quotation:
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Hello allerseits. Someone has information, a) how long the field test is to still persist b) whether and/or. when is RAM to be surface covering used? I need a new DSL offerer for in the middle of July. Since I only Reseller DSL 768 have (interconnect capacitance as per. FB scarcely 4000) would be already important it for me to know whether I can count by RAM on a higher range (~ DSL 2000). Quotation:
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I am from before times now 2000 constant with 5500-5800
Loud callando it is only end of the yearly and/or. At the beginning of of 2009 so far. Afterwards this technology is to then be available also for Reseller. Up to then it means first times waits or (who has the possibility) ADSL2+ to take. Quotation:
Hello I spoke last week with the Hotline. As per. This is resumed until further notice the pilot and is to be transferred then into a rule product. Apparent the pilot was successful. Greeting 45grisu What means T-com with “rule product” is called this only customer of the Telekom to rate adaptive to transfer to be able and resale customers the other Provider further with worse speed to surfen have? Quotation:
 Do you have also ne notion when will be? Possibly. the CeBit 2009 ago? By the way the outlook on “RAM” was for me a change reason back to the pink giant. Quotation:
Update: According to the same source as the test was terminated above in December 2008 with positive result. The “product introduction” was however shifted on “starting from that 4. Quarter 2009 ". It was already a joke that one the “start of the rule enterprise” originally for that 4.Quartal 2008 had estimated. It is already amazing, as one is able to still increase absolute star intimateness and inertia at the Telekom. But this fits correctly “donation the goods test test winner” .
has jmd. of you a notion whether that young in this decade still baked wars? A sad chapter is real… Yes, that is indeed a sad chapter. I was put off in the past year that at the beginning of of 2009 which goes. But we have already April and it give still nix. As in the contribution #74 it is written “off” to that above 4. Quarter 2009 so far its (source: see contribution #73). Edit: According to mentioned source it means now Quotation:
Are there now any pieces of news to RAM? Property read that the Telekom the project on ice to somewhere put wants. Rear one, That does not want to hope I nevertheless times! On my request at the beginning of the 3. Quarter it was answered to me that I at the beginning 4. Quarter again to inquire is. Fact seems to be that they do not switch it “voluntarily”, but that one must inquire explicitly, if one wants to have it. Greetings Snyder Hello That is still in makes. It is to be released however for all. There are probably still software of problems Greeting 45grisu See also 1. Post office here http://www.onlinekosten.de/forum/sho...d.php?t=121892 starting from paragraph “further update July 2009: ”. Quotation:
In software problems one cannot believe in this connection nevertheless any longer seriously, probably only pure firm politics. One saw that nevertheless also at the fact, with which pitfalls was tried to prevent Bitstream. With Teltarif there is today the following message: http://www.teltarif.de/dsl-rate-adap...ews/36142.html. Quotation:
Rear one, Well madly! One told me the day before yesterday to the Hotline that it starting from 13.11. (this yearly!) one switches. Probably was nix ................ Sch is even….thirst, if one lives on the village. Here fixed only 2000, 100m of far “in front” 3000 run. According to Fritz 6000 is completely loosely in it from the SNR (22/30). *hoil* But the type me wanted afterwards as “good customer of the Telekom” still another SIM map with Wochenendflatrate On explicit demand of me (one finally knows its Pappenheimer ) it moved then raus that it is the “Flat XS”, which costs 5 cken in the month. The boy should be glad that he sits so far away, otherwise would have I  Greetings Snyder HP: And as Sahnehubchen starting from the next day of them organized “quality control” telephone terror; several calls in absence, without leaving something on the STARTING FROM. Now, those land now immediately on mine call center STARTING FROM.
Gemach, in accordance with oh, lasts stop of everything its time… You do not want to hunt nevertheless such a Ungetm of company too much for urge and The Ungetme from dinosaur already became extinct, not that such a thing already again happens 
Rear one, But now faster and more efficient animals are there in place of the Dinos ....... It would be worth an attempt, particularly since I pay one “up to” to 6000er line. Greetings Snyder I actually also But is all the same meanwhile to me sch ****!!! As soon as my contract running time is (07/2010) is I past  I can instead of now 768 (and/or. with RAM ~ get 2000) 10,000 to 12.000er DSL (in words: ten thousand ). With our local offerer WOBCOM. This beglckt now our drfle with a switching center.
So friends, from today on it is so far Are straight of the T-Shop back. From today on one can let its connection change over to RAM. It arranged today. It will be however not at everyone connection possible. Depends on the DSL hardware in the switching station. I hold you up to date. Current DSL range 768, expected range approx. 2000. Very interesting - can one assign the also on-line? Or do you have a Telefonhotline under which I it assign can? Does it cost actually somewhat? I have at present a call and a Surf tariff with DSL 1000. Gladly also to RAM would change over, in order to have a little more range. My line values stand in the signature! After my information in the Momant February only as pilot attempt in T-shop postable and also only on demand. Later probably over the Hotlines. It costs nix (if one in its max. DSL range remains 2000 or 6000) and also no prolongation of a contract. Thanks - then look I tomorrow times in the T-point (if one calls in such a way) past. Edit Novize: Embedded giant pictures deleted - use nevertheless please the forum-own appendix (extended editor)] http://www.abload.de/img/fritzboxlxex.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/fritzbox2sb5j.jpg One can say on the basis these photos, what evt with me. would be possible? According to the already several times linked source (see above #82) you could have pitch: Quotation:
Yes, as RiVen already wrote, RAM is switched only to 50 railways line loss. But the Fritz box is not very exact with the data. As per. my Fritz box has I an absorption of 50 railways, however only DSL 768 switched got. According to your data you have an absorption of 54 railways, it you however DSL 1000 were switched. I would therefore assume that with you also approximately DSL is 2000 possible. But: Attempt makes kluch Goes simply into the T-Shop and hears, what it you to say there. If they should have ne notion with you of nix, then read you the Posting No. 1 through, which was linked in the answer 82. What would be here possible that? Honestly said, no notion. Inquire in the T-Shop. But after me the most current available information the DSL RAM marketing was today again stopped.
Reservation was stopped since yesterday possible - officially however already again http://www.teltarif.de/telekom-start...ews/37449.html Quotation:
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Rear one, So, I hab's after some Drngeln now in writing: “For the next 12 months unfortunately no development is planned”. I could  !Naja, until Octobers I must still hold out, then I will probably change to Vodafone. Those offer a 6000er to me. All different can offer (because Regio) only the foam-braked 2000, which I have eh already ...... Greetings Snyder And Vodafone can charms? 
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To the current conditions with “RAM” see http://www.onlinekosten.de/forum/sho...d.php?t=125378. Rear one, NO, but Vodafone switches DSL RAM and/or. when desired the so-called “risk circuit” makes! With me stand the 2000 totally stably (since months not one Resync!), 200m “in front” in the place continues to give already it to DSL 3000 of T-Bums. There the 6000 with RAM would in it be sowas thick of ...... Greetings Snyder If the other offerers (“because Regio”) to Telekom technology to fall back do not have apply then to Vodafone? 
Rear one, NO, use only the so-called “last mile” and switch into the VSt over to its own net. I know a connection of those even also genuine ISDN get (no NGN, no VoIP). Greetings Snyder Then could e.g. 1&1 also a connection over Vodafone switch, there result then also no Regiozuschlag. Rear one, Axso?! Gugge! To those I have a something (to say we times) disturbed relationship. There I am vorfristig before 4 years after a longer fight from the contract raus because of “Nichterbringung of the contractually agreed upon achievements”. With those I have thus nix more at the hat. I was a while ago in the VF-Shop. If one refrains times from the fact that that did not hear functioning Bubi there as a salesman ever something of DSL RAM , it could look at least in the computer the fact that I would regularly get a 2000er DSL however by “risk circuit” can let which up-set.Schaun mA times, a few weeks must I still with T-Bums endure. Quotation:
With me in the VSt werkeln haven of similar to DEVICEs and those cannot a RAM. Would have to be exchanged therefore. Greetings Snyder How however fits all which you now wrote together with that here? Quotation:
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How mean? I attempt times: T-Com-customer for many, many years (since it DSL gives). From 1und1 I had at that time only one DSL tariff (1GB/Monat, as T-Com only 500MB/Monat offered). Thus I, when there were the problems, could relatively relaxed prematurely of 1und1 again away (and back to T-Bums), because they did not have a haven, which they could block. Quotation:
Up to Vodafone of isses with me thus also so. All different, which at all which offer (obviously except 1und1, which can switch also over VF), are also only those, which need T-Com-payments in advance. VF needs only the cable of the “last mile” and switches then to own technology. Greetings Snyder |
