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Hello,

I white absolutely not whether I with you am correct!

I want to put telephone connection a floor to mine more highly. New cables do not shift are an option.

In the 1. I want to install the Fritz box 7170 with all possible devices for floor such as fax and telephone. Downward in the ground floor only a Cat.5 Patchkabel.Dort lies is also the NTBA which I to extend wants. Now I wanted to connect the Fritz box somehow with the NTBA by the network cable.

I have still another network SWITCH remaining, if that should be of importance.

To me it is by the way all the same whether I lines cut open there must or must do other things for it. The main thing is functionality.

I hope it can me help!

From the way of writing you are here already times not correct.

Ok one I changed that. If you should still find Orthografie or grammar errors now, then you may keep her you. Now I expect however please one should to ton victory not somehow have been.

Where does the DSL connection come? Where does the fragment sit?
I would move the whole Splitter/NTBA stuff also after “above”. You need then for the extension of the 1. TAE two veins. If you from the CAT5 a couple rausfischt, there should not be problems.

Fragments and NTBA are not down in ground floor both could I with upward take that would be a problem only I wanted that stop to prevent.

You do not write, to what extent the CAT5-Kabel is already used. But even a 100MBit/s network uses only two pairs of it, therefore you can use one of the two free pairs for the voice grade channel. You may not go thereby however over a network SWITCH.

Thus the CAT5-Kabel is not used yet at all. It is to only become the extension after the NTBA.

Could whole with a ISDN/ISDN adapter function, which has two female connections?

If down a NTBA is and a terminal (Fritz above! Box hair dryer), which is to be connected to this NTBA, as well as the distance than 100 m is not longer (actually it can be still longer, but leaves we that times), then attaches you to both ends of the cable a RJ45-Dose, does not put from the NTBA with a LAN Patchkabel ISDN on the box down and with the original ISDN lead the Fritz! Box hair dryer this on the box above. Voila!

No converters, no VoIP devices, no protocol converters, no magic…

--gandalf.

[Edit Novize: Monster diagram removes - use please the forum-own appendix]
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I go now times of it out you mean these doses? Then do not understand I as you mean.

What exactly do you want to extend?
- The signal of the switching center (before the fragment)?
- DSL the signal (after the fragment)?
- The ISDN signal before the NTBA?
- The ISDN signal after the NTBA?

I want to extend best the ISDN signal after the NTBA over a normal CAT5 Patchkabel to the Fritz box 7170.

I have degrees in the Internet a Isdn and/or. RJ45 clutch found. Thus might it nevertheless also function or? With it I connect the Y-cable (rj45-Anschluss) of the NTBA with the CAT5 Patchkabel.

An electrician would use RJ45-Dosen and so cables, as Gandalf described it. As tinkering solution one can naturally attach the cables, which rauskommen from the wall, directly with adapters.

If your CAT5 cable has side on both the shown RJ45 doses, you take a short Patchkabel and put it into the box in the cellar. The ISDN plug of the box comes into the RJ45 socket above. Finished.

I have no RJ45 Dosen.Das picture was now only as example meant, because I did not know whether it these doses mean. I have a Y-cable with RJ45-Anschluss of the NTBA coming and then the CAT5 cable also with RJ45-Anschluss of the Fritz box coming from the upper floor. Now I must connect both and the whole must so fold it also functioned.

With the SWITCH which I do not have function the whole unfortunately. Thus I must connect both directly somehow. There dacht I at ISDN clutches, since these are full.

Does it act with your cable in the shifting cable? Then you should make doses at the best one on both sides to.
Or is it a Patchkabel, which has plugs on both sides already?

It has on both pages was in former times the cable of the Fritz box (in former times in the ground floor) upward to the SWITCH, which continued to distribute then.

Thus a completely normal Lan cable.

Is a plug to at the cable on each side?
If, you must cut the plug off anyway or tinker an adapter.
One RJ45-Anschlussdose each would be the cleanest solution above and down.
Clamp per two of conductors on one box each after ISDN standard (pin 3/6, 4/5) and connects the box with normal Patchkabeln.

Ok if it differently does not go I it will in such a way make. Nevertheless I would like still another answer to my “careless” variant with the ISDN clutch.

Such a part mine I:

Did the already rich become?

Thus again completely elementarily:

A SWITCH is an active component for Ethernet. You have ISDN, not Ethernet at the NTBA. Thus that cannot be done obviously as connection.

You have ISDN at the NTBA and the Fritz! Box hair dryer wants ISDN at its office connection also. Fits nevertheless. Thus only the cable must make a connection 1:1 between the NTBA and the FBF. Plug the cables together accordingly. If a ISDN clutch is there between them, on this distance no problem will represent. It is only important that the clutch and all cables the allocation 1:1 door hatches.

Thus: NTBA - RJ45-Stecker at the Patchkabel - Patchkabel CAT5 - RJ45-Stecker at the Patchkabel - clutch 2xRJ45-Buchse, straight through-connected - RJ45-Stecker of the ISDN local loop of the FBF.

*puh*

--gandalf.

Or briefly: If the adapter 1:1 is wired goes to ' S.

Ok one thus thanks for your Hilfe.Ich times so an adapter buying will then tomorrow go then reports I again.

Exactly

Ok one thus I tried:

1. To connect with a ISDN clutch. Result: Internet ok telephone not.
2. With 2. ISDN clutch, since I could not be safe that all contacts am occupied. Same suppl.-smooth-eat as above.

3. A ISDN clutch opened. Have I seen that the contacts were turned in each case. In Friemelarbeit the contacts now exchanged, i.e. Now contact is 1 on the opposite side contact 8.Trotzdem: same problem (Internet ok telephone not). And starting from the time I am reliably that the contacts all am occupied.

I do not continue to know genuinly no more.

Hello,

You have the Lan clutch you 8 poles need taken there, the ISDN have only 4
that will be able be done not completely with the Fritz, without Y-cables.

Look times here:
http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthr...78#post1025178
http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthr...55#post1258955
http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthr...30#post1034130
http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showpos...94&postcount=8
etc.

Greeting Erwin

Thus I have a clutch with 8 cables and 8 Kontakten.d.h. for each vein in the Patchkabel 1 cable in Kupplung.Und I the clutch now umgeklemmt in such a way that the cables go exactly straight.

Thus I summarize once.
Down is: Fragment, NTBA and Y-cable Allocation

Fritz box, fax, is telephone above.

I want to interconnect Fritz box and NTBA/Y cable RJ45 connection by Patchkabel. No new cables can be put. All telephones/faxes must function.

Quotation:

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I want to extend best the ISDN signal after the NTBA over a normal CAT5 Patchkabel to the Fritz box 7170.

Here only the speech of ISDN is and not from Internet.

Quotation:

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Now contact is 1 on the opposite side contact 8.

Contact 1 should be connected also with contact 1 and not with another.

Quotation:

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Down is: Fragment, NTBA and Y-cable
Fritz box, fax, is telephone above.

Then you put above the cable into the box, down the clutch drauf (if it rum is again correct) and the Y-cable into the other side of the clutch.

Thus I nevertheless already tried it. Otherwise htt I nevertheless for a long time said it goes.

My starting point is that I must rauskriegen the cable ends of Y-Kable and Patchkabel at the Fritz box exactly equal, i.e. (I go out now times with Click) that if I have at the end of the Y-cable the contact 1 above at the end of the Patchkabel also contact 1 have. In addition the cables must be in the clutch however straight, and not turned as at the beginning.

You want to thus extend the exit of the Y-cable with the ISDN and the DSL signal drauf. If it does not go with 1:1 clutch, you should test first times whether the LAN cable occupied all conductors correctly. Thus through-measure, vein for vein with a continuity tester and a long line from top to bottom.

You write above Quotation:

the NTBA which I to extend wants.

that is, the ISDN connection is to be extended. That continues with a correctly working CAT5-Kabel with a 1:1 connection easily over 100 m and.

Now you speak of Quotation:

Down is: Fragment, NTBA and Y-cable Allocation

Fritz box, fax, is telephone above.

That means effectively that you DSL and ISDN to extend wants. That can be done naturally in principle, however the DSL quality becomes with this kind of the extension if necessary. suffer. In each case it goes only with a 1:1 connection.

I would recommend therefore now times a systematic procedure:
1. Fritz! Box hair dryer directly in the cellar attach and test whether the end of the Y-cable makes Telefonie and Internet available there put into the FBF.
2. CAT5-Kabel at least times with a line examiner through-measure whether the veins also really EVERYTHING through-connected and on the plugs are put.
3. Patchkabel by 1:1 clutch to the Y-cable-end and the FBF to the other end of the Patchkabels attach. That should function then - modulo of DSL losses on the distance -.

Alternatively you can place also a DSL modem in the cellar, so that from there out equal Ethernet can be used. Then there are no more losses on the distance upward. You can lead the ISDN local loop upward then across the unused veins.

--gandalf.

ISDN extend I would have still seen, but DSL term fragment and ISDN to extend is actually imbecility, and I white it see that exactly the same. In this case it would be genuinly better to shift fragments and NTBA with upward and to use the existing cable before the fragment. But it does not have to settle yet times the doses or plugs at the cable. Cut off above simply once a TAE cable (into the box where your connection arrives) with a Westernstecker into a 1:1 clutch and a short Lan cable and the appropriate vein (centric) at the clamps of the fragment attach. Remaining interconnection Splitter/NTBA/Fritzbox as had. That gives substantially fewer losses and disturbances.

Quotation:

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Thus I nevertheless already tried it. Otherwise htt I nevertheless for a long time said it goes.
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In addition the cables must be in the clutch however straight, and not turned as at the beginning.

Did you already try it also with an unmodified clutch?

Will not believe it to her. The cable is incorrect. I could be moved genuinly. I the TAE box with the functioning cables to put upward now and the remainder there as had to attach.

Thanks for your assistance nevertheless. Really very much helped me. It harms that it does not function as simply as meant.

Can be closed here.

Quotation:

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I the TAE box with the functioning cables to put upward now and the remainder there as had to attach.

Is as I already said eh the better solution.
Closed we such a T. but not. But you can write a friendly “solved” into the title of the first contribution (1.Beitrag/ndern/erweitert)