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There is the possibility to reject on the FB anonymous calls.
This does not appear to me however acceptable, because evenly nevertheless - after my experience many callers without it know her the anonymity of your line on the part of the Telephonproviders activated. Would be better: If an anonymous call comes, then an announcement should come like e.g.: “Very honoured caller, please you press the key “#” on your telephone over with the partner to be connected. Consider however: Cold advertising calls, inquiries, etc. are generally not desired. Should fall your call in one of these categories, put please immediately on " If the caller is an automat, then he probably hardly the text to understand to be able and be thus unsuccessful. If the caller is humans, he will consider hopefully the announcement behave and korrket. With all other cases one can live then. Is not somehow feasible sowas with call through the function in connection with the answering set which one on the FB install can? , Only the announcement is not missing much. I investigated, however neither in this forum nor sonstwo to something however all right in detail in this kind found. Thanks. Attempt it nevertheless possibly. with a Rufumleitung. I lead all calls without call number over mean first dus.net account on my second, which functions as mailbox only. The announcement there: “You did not convey their call number. Therefore we do not go to the telephone. “ No telephone rings, and if someone which up-speaks, I get then as wav by email. If a Spammer leaves also still another 0900er number, I send equal to Mail further to the federal net agency around the number close to let. Contently with this solution? Thanks for your idea, but that is evenly exact, which I do not want. For reasons of my job I must be ereichbar. And each call, with which the caller presents, because of an answering set simply, that is lost money. For the moment eh my own answering set is to, which announces then my mobile call number, in addition, deters nevertheless some. Therefore I would make gladly for the callers more comfortable. I find, you contradict myself little. On the one hand you do not want to accept callers with call number suppression, on the other hand one you in addition, no (potenziellen) customer want to frighten. That does not fit somehow so quite. At least with me there (fortunately) is not soo many advertising calls. On average I would say, two per week. A friendly “no thanks” or “interest”, followed of the “red listener” is not then usually my answer. If I do not have time come the red listener immediately, with in a good mood chat I already times with the people in the call center.  But well that must decide stop of everyone.Apart from the fact I find your idea however not bad and her should be technically also realizable. Ask nevertheless simply times with AVM at which those of it hold and whether it it possibly. introduce to a future firmware. Quotation:
Which one reliably knows: 1. A bad advertising call center will never indicate its telephone number (or a wrong, which one recognizes meisst immediately) 2. As long as the call comes from the Federal Republic, I subordinate times that, no such calls to the desire one will correspond to receive. 3. All other callers, who are anonymous, have either a conclusive reason (which is never met me), or however you simply not with were occupied whether your number is indicated or to non 95%+ of all anonymous calls to fall with me under this category. Overall will reject all anonymous calls, as you already marked (the bad cold advertising call comes in the comparison to the normal anonymous caller pre however is evenly supernervig evenly rather rarely, if one already speaks someone else with or somewhat does important), the wrong ones to usually meet. The variant angedachte by me would save also something stress to the poor hares in the call center, since they would know directly, that they are, and not texts how: Their name? Their company? or furious insults to listen would have, but evenly equal the next poor customers into spe to select could. And all “good” must press only one key on their telephone - that is not heavy and makes for everyone. The idea the AVM to suggest sounds good, because actually for those not so difficult to realize and in any case is better than the past variants - I will contact AVM. Gladly I buy then also a new FB-x-y-z, thus on my 5050 do not go. But if there were a possibility to realize with asterisk and the existing box then that would make me happy much. I send simply all anonymous callers on the answering set. That can be done with simple means: Fritz box and separate similar answering set or more practically a ISDN telephone with integrated answering set (own MSN for the answering set). If the anonymous callers are rerouted on their own (internal) MSN, one can let a ISDN telephone (with other bell clay/tone) along-ring also. One knows, over the call centers call which time usually (late afternoon until in former times evening) and at this time such calls simply do not remove. Who does not abandon its identity, are debt, if it is not before-let. I open also only the entry door, after I checked, who stands before it.  Additionally I still programmed VIP numbers with own Klinkelton. Because even I do not receive not VIP numbers with conveyed call number at all times. In times that overcoming university cation, where Nichterreichbarkeit becomes slow the luxury, one must consider oneself already times in time a few protective mechanisms.
Hello detg, momentarily still stand I on the hose; how do you reach the bypass with anonymous calls? I would use such an automatism gladly, in order to reroute directly on the mailbox (1und1). Greeting Jens @JensemannWF That knows each Fritz box with current firmware. The solution of @detg has, as it says, the disadvantage that everything anonymous (also VoIP) on the STARTING FROM land. With me looks in such a way: Family, friends and acquaintance from which I point the fact that they do not convey their call number (wants) to have a “pure” VoIP number and to go thereby at Fon1 (all VoIP numbers, on all react OUT) directly to the telephone. Fon2 has only the FN-number (to all to react OUT, “bypass” as parallel call at FON1). On it the audio LINE hangs also OFF (see victory.). One can adjust this telephone in such a way that calls with announcement “private” - thus anonymous - arrive directly at OFF. All bell tones (basis and mobile part) OUT, monitoring. Who would like to thus really telephone to something after the announcement “qukt”, with me, one accepts. Call centers present eh directly. Additionally one can distribute in addition, (whether now by announcement or maximumpersonally) a SOS code (three-figure, numbers), with which one can let the telephone ring despite barrier. That was and is for me the solution. Scenario 1: Call FN (Fon2), anonymous. Both telephones ring to 1x, OFF continue to go ran, s.o. Scenario 2: Call FN (Fon2) with call number transmission. Both telephones ring. On the “correct” telephone (Fon1) only the call number is indicated (e.g. frame. Kirby vacuum cleaners, those convey their call number). Since no name from directory can be assigned, I accept the discussion, ask to call however again, there for the moment unfavorable. Telephone number into the Fritz! Box > Call barrier > in detail, finished .Everything that still rings then whether “with or without”, is friend. A conversion to the Fritz! Box has in my opinion the disadvantage that, if to the larger extent (spreading degree the Fritz! Box) this thing is used, with “presses it #…” also a call center fast times on # presses. Hello, I as AVM would not be safe me whether I should invest here still further efforts - each solution (however) proves as compromise. So far the unwanted hold themselves, and/or with me. the advertising and call center calls within limits. Our main call number is not in the directory listing, in addition, call center calls on come here obviously these calls are erscannt. At the reference number of my wife (with directory entry) arrive already somewhat more calls of this kind. The past beginning of AVM to be able to block calls without number from the VoIP range is therefore rather halfhearted - the problem cannot be limited on VoIP, but fixed net and VoIP must be treated together, since the unwanted calls from both directions are to be expected. And thus one is exposed to the entire chaotic landscape. I would be personal for the fact that each caller conveys clearly him identifying call number - however there are sufficient fadenscheinige and entitled reasons not to do this. Thus gives it in addition, no reliable criteria, in order to be able to differentiate between desired and unwanted calls. The only potentially understandable criterion would be the call number suppression of the caller - however:
I hold it so far in such a way that I address unwanted callers clearly in such a way unwirsch and that they do not call me simply any longer - so far it functions still. kind regards Dieter Quotation:
The latter over the detour of the Rufumleitung. That is also many more flexible than the primitive blocking of VoIP calls, because one can to be decided as described above, what one with the call makes. Agfeo implemented also so a function in its plants in the meantime in it, unfortunately however so stupidly that one cannot use it for ISDN terminals. That will become ever more important with the time. However I fear that are conveyed to always frequent pseudo number. Therefore on a long-term basis no way leads past a positive list or a VIP list. But all will already notice that, if we have the same conditions with telephoning first times, as with E-Mail. Quotation:
In an in room dwelling may still go. Rear one detg, Thanks you and the other one that I found finally a solution for the problem. For me the solution of the Rufumleitung of ALL anonymous callers is optimal, because to recall I can then after my mood. I am not yet safe me, which language mailbox I will prefer; those the VoIP number or the around mailbox. A similar OFF I will get, except the Rufumleitung do not fold however under no circumstances to the cellar not ordendlich Greeting Jens I maintain simply times, many people know not at all whether her its number along-sent or not and many do not know with analog line that a call number transmission is possible also there. And even if they know it, they do not see a necessity their number along-sending, since they (with their analog line/telephone) see also no call numbers and it to stop are not differently used. And even if they know that they could along-send their number, know it not, like them it adjust/to change can (apart from those, which do not want to along-send their number). One actually changes that for BTW as? Only in the T-point or a call is enough with the Hotline? Thus the circle closes, some knows not that one can along-send the number, others not, where one can let that change over… Simply call, goes normally telephone problem-free… @dteg That would be it - a Spam filter for calls - depending on which the caller up-spoken; off into the garbage If I am not in the garden hear I telephone bells, or I have the cordless thereby - anyhow I do not have to rush the garden because of an advertising call across. In addition it makes in the meantime fun these advertising callers from the clock for me to bring, if they remain hanging in their crammed into text, comes it quite into wobbling @JensemannWF If all “anonymous” callers on the STARTING FROM land, you can however only recall if this something on the STARTING FROM to up-speak - it gives to want personal to speak sufficient reasons someone and therefore nothing on the STARTING FROM speak. Like one it also turns and turns it is everything only a putrid compromise. It is simple a far smaller expenditure of time with an advertising call to present to have to hear than all “anonymous” calls on the STARTING FROM. Remember also, how it is to function with a Hotlinerckruf or the service center of your bank or insurance. With a recall you receive a new coworker with security again and tell whole history once again from the front. @Speedfreak I Also these people can be very nice people and one already consider themselves whether one “educates” them wants or not kind regards Dieter Thus, Thank you in any case for your opinions! One sees, that is an in any case topic, many busily (there is still at least 5 further Threads imAVM range, which are concerned with it). It harms that there is no implementation for my “solution” - however, all the same. I am already completely content with my past variant (, the mobile number announces all anonymous on the STARTING FROM. People it enough is important to those, call then usually nevertheless there). Otherwise everything is probably now said to the topic. @all now, there is surely no optimal solution for the “problem” of the anonymous callers. One must differentiate probably between a pure privatanschluss and a geschftsanschluss. In the private one I am absolutely consistent. Not one anonymous call is accepted. It erfogt immediately the Rufumleitung on the STARTING FROM with a reference announcement! The caller does not have to leave a possibility to me a text. It does not also even ring any telephone. Yes, at first are some friends and acquaintance “rausgefallen”. But then I took over for it the service of the call number transmission (free call with t-com), and everything was good. I use this thing since approx. one year. The statement development was interesting in the circle of acquaintances for me. Now at the beginning of easy smile (, the Technikfreak) and comes ever more the question: you can furnish it also in such a way with me please. @wodi Which I understand not completely: Quotation:
Amusingly, I operate with these institutions completely well by E-Mail. And I have also after approximately. 1 year the feeling something important not to have missed. As said, this consequence I realize only and exclusive in the private one. I gnne me the luxury of the peace, enjoy the end of workday with my wife and am pleased, if friends call in the evening. Best greetings Henry Quotation:
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One has then still opportunity ranzugehen and saves the recall. Even the people, which do not want to convey their call number, know in the meantime that it with us times briefly “hello, hello I bin's” on the answering set quatschen. We already take off if we are in the proximity. @wodi Quotation:
Greeting Henry @deteg Hmh - even if I wanted, I would not find an answering set, which would be generally speaking house vernehmbar and understandable. @Henry (“why these centers cannot transfer a central a choice number?” Put you please times into the position of such a call center. Which they should have really conclusive reason a number to indicate (do not forget however to bring along with this train of thought the necessary Kaltschnuzigkeit) @All .... but how it would be with an announcement text like this? “Calls of call centers are noted for quality assurance at this connection; present now, if they see thereby your personality rights impaired, otherwise one you for the desired participant are further-connected - to hold you for this name and exact address of your order giver, as well as your personal recall number ready " kind regards Dieter @wodi Beautiful announcement. And (because of the GEMA) waiting music composed afterwards 15 minutes!
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The problem with private calls of the analog line without call number transmission (T.Net standard) takes care of itself nevertheless with the year end. Then all “eternally of yesterday” a “call plus” receive - Zwangsupgrade and come then with the 19%-Konjunkturbremse to 16,36 EUR/Monat! Anonymous calls can come then only from full intention. Probably that, which has a T-Com-loose DSL!
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http://www.teltarif.de/presse/2006/pm_221106.html And even if the T-Com does not switch i.d.R. all connections with Verweigerung to the entry in the directory only times the call number suppression on. Quotation:
Since I was first, I knew however then that it already lie… Thorsten Quotation:
I have also a tariff change behind me - with all 6 MSNs mean after the change the call numbers were not indicated, whereby I had clicked “attitudes maintained”. Only for one of the 6 MSN I have a call number entry in the directory - is thus independent of it. ciao Dieter I ask myself which with the topic to do have… Who does not want to convey its call number, something has to hide. Who doesn't want that humans call him, who have to hide something may nevertheless probably prevent, or? Everyone can de-energise the call number transmission - with which Telco he/they is all the same. Here it goes being gone around around a strategy as with this situation can, and not how Telcos the handlen. Quotation:
but if that here http://www.teltarif.de/arch/2006/kw49/s24123.html may not it is interspersed in the future no more without transferred call number work. Andr, apart that it is slowly OT, is your statement Quotation:
1. Who has to really hide something, with security it will avail itself of other means of communication particularly since such people also know then that their call number always is to the Vst. the receiver “transported” and one suppresses only here. 2. It goes “wanting” at very many people not around, separates directly around (Un) the knowledge over TIE-CLIP, CLIR, COLR & cost. Which you believe, how much humans telephone, without knowing it, still with pulse choice. Until before ~2 years even with the new purchase still factory setting of many telephones was. 3. Unfortunately it is in Germany for a long time no longer possible, a meaningful service, like evenly e.g. frame. TIE-CLIP & cost to introduce without that first times data and Verbraucherschtzer lift warning the index finger to explain but without it to the people correctly what there actually passes. Thus are already first times at least. 50% against it, without knowledge against which actually. 4. Did one convince, does come then some “NichtCLIPper” of the sense of this service immediately the question”… and which kostets? … “. Many already do not believe more that at least conveying of the own call number is free. Those are anyhow my personal experiences. Quotation:
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-, which would be ready to spend again 29cent specially only around the call number mitzuteilen/zu see, if nevertheless 30 years also without and already get Pinkzilla enough were, without one telephoned also only to 1x.OT: A case is well-known me, where after a dubious Telefonakquise tariff was back-gradated again in the beautiful old T-Net standard, without switching off however CLIP/CLIR. (after announcement, police, lawyer… mind you!!) Quotation:
In grey Vorzeit was there times the tariff option “required call number transmission with constant Unterdckung” (thus the exact opposite of the well-known option). This was unfortunately taken before a few years from the program, because allegedly no more need existed. Thus having however for the transmission opponents a beautiful possibility by it with entries in the directory, with which a transmission is desired, the #31# in front of it-sets. Thus would be helped some. Unfortunately this option (as it could be different) was liable to pay the costs. Quotation:
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Me it is actually completely wurscht, WHY someone does not convey its call number - whether intentionally or from ignorance or from comfort or from savings obligation. That is not also my problem. Who strips us at home directly to gets would like to convey has geflligst the call number. All different communicate with ours OFF. Exactly like I anybody the door do not open, to which before it does not say who it is and which it wants from me. Suitable one current message on heise on-line advertising calls unsolicited to the topic: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/82315 It confirms again that the thing with advertising calls a subjective problem is not. Quotation:
brigends arrive in the meantime nearly no more advertising calls. My number was probably painted out in such a way to unite data bases. I reroute all calls on my main number without call number transmission on a STARTING FROM. Friends and used, no call number convey (for what reasons also always…) I give another MSN, for which I did not stop a bypass of anonymous calls. Folds to a short transition period, up to all the other number have great. To the second topic: For Telefonnomaden with fixed net number it unfortunately became the obligation to suppress the call number if they are at a place with other preselection. These could then possibly. but your Handynummer send. times by Rufumleitung, unknown callers, on OFF sent (Fon3). Now so e.g. is it. my father weighted, which he can talk only with the STARTING FROM (why number is suppressed times unimportantly). If I give it my Internet number, how must or I can adjust it this “unknown” caller to hair dryer 1 come. Because it not always to be possible will make it it for everyone clear. I say only sense of age rigid. Has an analog line. Quotation:
With e.g. DUS.net can stop one the conveyed call number (except mobile) freely. |
