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Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations boss demands VoIP monitoring

Nevertheless actually already everything is regulated! What does it want still???

If one has to float nothing else and the subject does not understand invents one new word creations and idioms, which again-speak themselves.

Nunja. , IP connecting data to store is already which other one, than VoIP connections to “belauschen”. That might also not be so simple. Of the “Terrorist“finds solutions safe to use SRTP via VPN in the Afghan caves.

We place nevertheless simply everywhere let us stop-describe up

... or Fratzenfallen…

Mhhm, I asks itself anyway whether it understood that one can make VoIP also without Provider and since no data are stored.

. considerable Stuss, which our Mr. Ziercke there again chamfering ELT. (VoIP) if the Telefonie runs over a “offerer”, the anyway already valid, legal measures seize. Everything else would like that be, as if require the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations the monitoring of local Nebenstellentelefonie.

@IBM-FAN

Now is not nevertheless like that

Nevertheless it has

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@Joel, a Schelm, which thinks bad thereby!

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Everything else would like that be, as if require the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations the monitoring of local Nebenstellentelefonie.

It gives nevertheless already long. However then “large wire-tapping” calls itself with monitoring of an individual person and all Kummunikationsmittel. The bug in its hair dryer then also belongs to.
I believe only, so concretely the large Vordenker Zierke that did not introduce myself, but he wanted to give only populist Geslze of itself.

Actually comments occur to me in addition only knappe:

Trees, forest, wood, boards, heads, horizon.

Schuble

Ziercke

de Maizire… lalalala

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. .sondern it wanted to give only populist Geslze of itself.

I always ask myself, how such “speakers” estimate their own popularity after so a Gefasel. Meanwhile it may nevertheless also each still so vergreistem medal carrier admits to be that such sayings with decent bird showing from the numbers of the net world are commentated and exposed as Phrasendrescherei. Again nix learned from the “stop sign affair”?

Correctly!

It functions however again and again

Unfortunately!

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At the beginning of of 2007 turned out for Ziercke because of its occurring for disputed secret On-line searches into the criticism. Thus a German computer journal for it lent the negative honor to it „brake of the yearly 2007 “.[2] Zierckes remarks to this topic in the press[3] of some critics as in technical regard were not durable rejected.[4]
According to a report of the Mirror it demonstrated contents of so-called „Schockerseiten in the context of a meeting for parliamentarians among other things “[5] (Video cutouts of Exekutionen in the form of beheading, brutal child abusing, hard SM-Sex), in order to recruit with the invited delegates for the planned law over secret on-line searches.

Source: Wikipedia

That hangs also upon the expiration Career together

Is not unusual nevertheless. There is nevertheless always in the range of the inside the hard liners, which have a saying.
Schily, Schuble etc. on the side of the Ministers, Zierke and CO on the side of the highest police representatives. Finally also it “only” a political Antreiber, which tries, to lend all power of the police is to be controlled in order over it the people. Our Ministers of the Interior pursue the goal of extensive a control as possible likewise. As highest service gentlemen of the entire police apparatus they pull there on the same strand.
And under the criterion the radical verqueren opinions of a stick-conservative Mr. Ziercke and its gleichgesinnten Kumpanen are comprehensible. There left and right-radical do not take themselves associate to anything. The convicition is there amazingly congruent.

I - independently of the attitude and position of certain people, which demand the hearing ability of VoIP now - became general that agree. There may not be a right-free area, in which prosecution authorities and investigators are impossible due to means lacking by definition. Naturally no starterindependent and only measure which is based on vague ideas may be, but must the same boundary conditions for a judicial arrangement follow as this also in the fixed net or mobile net applies. Why should VoIP be excluded here?

It is a question of the confidence in the state and the juridical system, in what respect these measures are really used and with which consequences. It may not be in my opinion however like that that only certain telecommunications forms fall under laws, others unaffected by it in game form to exist. The technical facilities for it to create, would be allowed to do naturally (v.a. if one thinks of Skype and SRTP) become sufficiently complex, but that is another topic.

The right to a telecommunications monitoring under a judicial arrangement of this measure has the state according to current law situation. Why not also VoIP?

--gandalf.

All basic conditions are already created! It does not need further regulations!

Only which is missing to BRAIN with the Heinis, is!

One cannot make brain available however by laws.

Looks at you times the laws and regulations, which saw the light of the world in the last 8 years. Helau.

Bin Laden says to it: I'm quietly free! What about you?

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The right to a telecommunications monitoring under a judicial arrangement of this measure has the state according to current law situation. Why not also VoIP?

Clearly also for VoIP, in whatever form always.
Only the hook is to it, the legal possibility gives it already long in form of judicial espionage and hearing measures on existing legal basis. Only these should be simply exhausted, instead of demanding public-effectively a more at hearing rights.
That is nevertheless with the punitive measures likewise: Punishments for many acts are sufficiently defined imo, only one must use these also times, instead of increasing the punishing framework legally ever further, although the framework put so far is by far not used.
However judges determine and are not apparently fixed for good reason always maximally the measure of punishment within them put the range in the judgements. Thus the policy goes and shifts the possible framework in the immeasurable, which concerns the measure of punishment. Thus the judges are to be imposed in a forced manner in their judgements also ever higher punishments.
That is exactly the problem: The legislation interferes too much into the executive, as the possible action framework of this executive is continued to shift ever in favor of a monitoring state, although that is essentially regarded not at all necessary. As said, there is still enough scope of action upward, what concerns judicial arrangements, why thus the laws now already extend into ranges, which are not necessary.
The individual case of the telephone monitoring can be judicially arranged also already. Thus no action need exists to extend this. If one observes however the legal tendencies, the picture results from my perspective that ever more is tried to abolish this judicial hurdle and to convert on the short official routine these monitorings. There we concerned then however in a totalitarian system of government.

Straight one up-to-date:

Romanian constitutional court: Externally stored data storage offends against human rights

… and which has with the Thread title “Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations boss demands VoIP monitoringto do “?

Is the verbal negotiation before the Federal Constitutional Court to run not now in December?
Well, there I am times strained…

@Novize

It concerned to me only the aspect, which becomes clear in this judgement.

@Novize, exactly… it does not concern here the question whether VoIP may be the subject of a Tk-monitoring or not. The central thesis from the initially quoted article is IMHO rather something in the kind how Quotation:

The unequal timelynesses of technology and right must be eliminated

… in other words: the offenders and terrorist rig information-technically and we (Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations, LKAs,…) are personnel and technically too thinly equipped, in order to keep up there. That is a call after budgets and training for officials.

A loosening of the necessity for hearing telecommunications (also VoIP) or the injury of the secrecy of letters (also E-Mail), so that this without judicial arrangement be possible should, might it probably with the current Minister of the Interior and/or. Ministries of Justice do not give.

To mirror-image moose with the externally stored data attitude and the Buzug on it keep I personally for something exaggerated, since one limits something with these data raised there only much begin can.

--gandalf.

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“Without the access to IP addresses and traffic data a prosecution is not possible in the net: “IP addresses are essential to the criminality fight of heaviest criminal offences in the Internet. ""

That is the technique level of lawyers and net agency post office officials, who do not understand her, it on the old analog telephone network trivialisieren, and became simply only the total monitoring of 80 millions blameless citizen by raster and dragging net search leads around 0.001% offender to find problem-free these insufficient monitoring means extracts itself:

, Internet cafe, Wlan Hotspots, WLan routing with x not personally allocationable participants, strange WLAN routing, Onion routing, gate, on fantasy names UMTS sticks (I know few colleague the applicants abqualifizierte in the Reistrierungscallcenter already as “Joseph Stalin” or “Adolf a Hitler” booked) registered time sharing system systems (is nearly everyone today)…

No chance. With SIP VoIP the audio data traffic runs between the Peers and over the VoIP Provider, might not become with difficulty and very complex and expensive to seize. There Skype is not called goes out I of the fact that the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations already received for it a duplicate key.

Perhaps it would be at the time for the gentlemen times again like correct policemen with the good old classical methods of investigation to work instead of by EDP to away-rationalize.

By the authority are unaufholbar far eh, example:

Yesterday I have in a Chat a Suizidankndigung received, and the answer to the message with IP address and Mailadresse to the police read:

A “coming you on the district and let take up the incident”

, instead of calling on-duty ones with public prosecutor's office/district court, then of the NOC the living address of the Providern get and Police and emergency surgeon to “Robert Enke” - case sends. If the woman real which to do would have wanted myself would then be it now dead because each assistance would too late have come. Fortunately was not it like that.

That is simply enormous, if Chat and forum administrators are to make at own expense and work “emergency call centers” then must the national infrastructure (police, German Red Cross emergency call centers) also support. That is obviously not the case.

If this police and this unsatisfactory and broken down with saving infrastructure work at terrorists just as well, then good night Germany.
Which is useful to those the maddest technology if the policemen of it nothing understands.

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The legislation interferes too much into the executive, as the possible action framework of this executive is continued to shift ever in favor of a monitoring state

It the executive, those from the legislation the monitoring state to only have wants did not turn around here and.

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… and which has with the Thread title “Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations boss demands VoIP monitoringto do “?

The connection between externally stored data storage and monitoring should be still comprehensible. And if we now already need a country from the former Eastern Bloc, in order to say us that our monitoring measures go too far, which should give to think one.

Gandalf addressed the confidence into the state. Turned around the state obviously no confidence to the citizens.
And if someone to each individual official has confidence, then is nevertheless somewhat naive. Particularly after admits cases became, where officials had to admit even before court that they had manipulated proofs. And even if these officials go out thereafter still exempt from punishment, that does not contribute to strengthen the confidence into the state.

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Turned around the state obviously no confidence to the citizens.

With cause. At least in another regard. Too much liberty would know the people for considering - aufdoktrinierte by winner powers of the WW2 - Basic Law, in particularly of the 146energize. Exactly that is laid out however gladly as anticonstitutional (as paradoxical) and either laid out as right/radically left-wing or brought with sympathy for goals allegedly of terror in connection.

The entire monitoring topic (and the view of the relevant press renting muzzles) leaves the taste with me much rather to control opinions and if necessary. to correct as the impression to hold damage by gang criminality and concrete notice terrorism from the German people. BTW. where is actually after the election to the Bundestag the press agitation against Jrg Tauss

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BTW. where is actually after the election to the Bundestag the press agitation against Jrg Tauss

This way:

Indictment: New reproaches load Jrg Tauss heavily
Politician required according to witnesses purposefully after Kinderpornos with boys
http://www.swr.de/report/presse/-/id...h9e/index.html

And as I the local public prosecutor's office know, can those that soundly prove, otherwise will her no accusation against one so outstanding as a lawyer and publicly defended politicians to raise.

All collected data are then in a kind self-service these COUNT available:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...nk-871634.html

And those are not exceptions! Even avail themselves a suspecting in such pools.

Same by the way applies to the banking secrecy any longer not existing.

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Which is useful to those the maddest technology if the policemen of it nothing understands.

Indeed… Policemen are not punished by SE with an operating stupidity, which locks the whole topic for them. They are rather punished with bottlenecks in equipment and personnel, which do not permit it to keep up here… That means however not that one keeps generally budgets and personnel small, in order to exclude this range of the “Internets” completely, but one must train here purposefully, adjust appropriate specialists with BKA/LKA/Polizeidirektionen, and provide also for the budgets, which permit appropriate technical equipment.

I would by the way see something similar for state lawyers and judges, who are surely from the topic Internet and all connected topics still too far distant, in order here to see clear (refrained from few exceptions times).

It applies thus here not to demand indiscriminately and without legal basis any measures for the monitoring of harmless citizens to address but therefore, to develop gradually the Skills and the technology with the existing law bases also the topic of the Internet criminality or the use of the Internets in the context of punishable actions meaningfully.

--gandalf.

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And as I the local public prosecutor's office know, can those that soundly prove,….

If it could do that, the topic would be long sentenced and a new straw fire of the renting muzzles.
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Quotation of gandalf94305 to construct the .schrittweise Skills and the technology to address with the existing law bases also the topic of the Internet criminality or the use of the Internets in the context of punishable actions meaningfully.

Gradually? Isn't it rather like that that the Ermittlungstellen does not have a chance the technology gentleman to become approximate without a total monitoring state to manufacture and with army crowds at IM's at all only on doubtful contents become attentive? More recognition “computer club” one does not want the assistance apparently.

@IBM-FAN: a total monitoring state does not want no and can also really meaningfully be converted. Apropos: who watches the watchers?

There are however sufficient possibilities of reaching by an intelligent evaluation of already existing information and the appropriate authorities of legally accessible information existence clear a more at determination quality. Trained investigators and a more intensive co-operation between authorities requires. The legal possibilities are not at all exhausted today, since personnel and technology are missing… and frequently the technical training is missing to the existing personnel. If times topics are political such as child pornography or acute terrorism dangers opportun, then there is a small thrust… sometimes even in the correct direction… sometimes also not.

Why in the USA was a Homeland Security created? The many, separate information silos of individual, small authorities and government agencies made more difficult, in the worst case completely prevented the effective determination of general contexts in the best case.

--gandalf.

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Why in the USA was a Homeland Security created?

In order to create with the population the impression of a constant threat and to reduce thus the resistance against the Aufweichen of the fundamental rights?
“Who against massive illegal hearing of discussions is, supports the terrorists.”

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@IBM-FAN: a total monitoring state does not want no and can also really meaningfully be converted.

, You think Tja, are however already reality. To you does ELENA say which? , Then you look Nee here...

http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/15926.pdf

Are 162 sides!

The Mr. Ziercke should read perhaps times!

Much fun!