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News and Pictures television GmbH & cost. Kg produces Planetopia, the knowledge magazine of SAT.1 (radiant emittance each Sunday at 22.45 o'clock on SAT.1). Additionally and Pictures the Internet and computer magazine Planetopia ON-LINE ONE (radiant emittance starting from 20.03.2006 each Thursday on SAT.1 around 23:15 clock) produces news, which approximately concern themselves exclusively with topics around computers and Internet. For one of our Planetopia ON-LINE transmissions we plan a contribution over VoIP and look for users the feeling have to be heard. It was super, if concerning among you would contact me. Simply a Mail sends to me or calls me. Thank you already times! Best greetings from Mainz xxx xxxxxxxx -------- edit Rocky512 Name and contact contacts when desired the author deleted Hello, if you already on hearing with VoIP report, mention nevertheless please also the possible counter measures. Thus coding of the signaling and discussion data (SIPS and SRTP) as well as Provider, which already support this (e.g. DUS.Net) and/or. to introduce want (e.g. Sipgate). Please you communicate the transmission date here also in time before radiant emittance of the contribution; I would like to see that gladly and/or. take up. I think already that we will mention also possible counter measures. I am not the chief executives of the contribution, but I will pass the suggestion on. I communicate the transmission date here, as soon as this is certain. I consider the question relatively difficult… The impression to be heard must adhere justified to facts, which admits in a VoIP discussion between two parties expressed and without report to a third party of these as can be prove is. This circumstances in direct form in such a way to prove would be allowed to do sea-honour to be difficult… in the private sector still more with difficulty than in the industriellen range. The fact that in Germany starterindependent monitoring of the Internet with Mitschneiden of connections is not possible without judicial arrangement is also clear… whereby this essentially only concerns “Lawful Interception”… not the “Awful Interception” by services. Which Echelon does not operate white one also. Therefore plakativ and little is goal-prominently from my view somewhat - rather even across the masses disconcerting the question, since a general suspicion of monitoring is expressed latently. IMHO should be represented rather measures - as already suggested -, the Privatsphre and privacy of VoIP be increased. --gandalf. I find it welcome, that increasingly in the media over „new forms “one reports to communication. Naturally I do not know contents of the transmission yet. I would find it better, if only times fundamental with VoIP admits the spectators is made, before plakative „Headlines “of hearing a VoIP of discussion come. This lets petrol normal user twitch nevertheless „“again together. And sorry, like or why I should have the feeling, which my VoIP discussions are heard (times the legal conditions left with side). Then „third would have to refer “concretely to a discussion, from that them actually nothing to know might. And then I would introduce, after contents legal steps. Naturally the possibility exists, but it requires a certain technical expenditure. And there again the question arises: who could have at all an interest in it. Then one should nevertheless better whole telephoning whether now T-Com D1 D2 E-plus etc. place under the general suspicion of the uncertainty. Yours sincerely v70 Tja hopefully is not steered the whole contribution again “politically”! Nevertheless probably primarily our state has an interest in hearing and this stands, straight because of VoIP, before some technical problems. E.G. one cannot a VoIP Provider abroad in addition thunder appropriate hearing possibilities/interfaces create! Many more leicher it is to be talked there nevertheless the people, VoIP is uncertain and the bad neighbour hears with (which is technically evenly not so simple!). Which makes Otto Normalo - it remains knowing the police and the Federal Intelligence Service at the German Telekom and further on their reliable fixed net hearing technology to set - purpose fulfilled! Also gladly people can announce themselves the fear have to be heard or the other problems with VoIP have. For example we need also concerning, which does not know spirit calls wars and from whom it comes, or calculations gotten calls over not led, nervige background noises with the telephone call hear etc. In this contribution we want to point now times the problems out with VoIP, above all approximately around the topic security. That does not exclude that we mention then also solutions. Hello! Perhaps one can also state its desires at AVM. 
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Solutions mention: perhaps With this statement nevertheless very mixed feelings adjust themselves with me. George There I am however strained whether the transmission also shows, how and where a VoIP discussion can be heard and where the special difference to the similar fixed net lies. Rear one, with VoIP one can in an enterprise network over Internet by means of OpenVPN very well approximately hears itself to protect. With difficulty one only if one in or from the celebration/mobile net telephones. With increasing spreading of UMTS one could lead also its telephone call across a OpenVPN tunnel and would be so also mobilely protected. Of therefore it one can protect oneself with VoIP better and more simply than so far. The intention now to occupy to want the VoIP more simply to hear is than the telephone network is bad journalism. But we know that from the Un. .fernsehen I am pleased naturally, if a television contribution is planned and considered for the preparation of the same also our forum. It beschleicht me however also immediately a negative feeling, if the hanger of the contribution is equal a possible point of negative of the Internet Telefonie. Internet as the such is certainly as danger carrier in various points admits (Dialer, Phishing, Troyaner, viruses, (WLAN) Hacking, etc.). A hanger that telephone calls are heard evenly over this Internet, could stir up there in my opinion only the general concern of those, which are overtaxed anyway already to secure their own PC. Here, consider someone to find, which feels heard I hardly possible. Here are primarily people on the way, which endorse and use VoIP actively. People, which know naturally also around the potential “danger” of hearing (because by Internet and is there a great deal “dangerously”), these however exactly estimate limit can. Within a LANs/WLANs gives it still the earliest beginning for sowas, but then… I would welcome it much, if the hanger “Internet Telefonie = heard?” will be, then however this doubt is eliminated, so that the result of the contribution is evenly VoIP positive. The arising questions can be clarified here surely competently in the apron. I preserve however on the part of your editorship doubts that for it the time takes itself become can - there to have we already enough negative TV-examples in the past experiences, which offered half pointing and truths. Only Jrg push of “Clicked“could shine to date with two really founded contributions, however it did not concern itself as far as I know after yet directly with hearing security. Once again to the search for “concerning”: I do not hope, it come then people to the course, those actually only times into the TV would like or still simple Protagonisten, to which before one tells, how they have too jammern. Anything for bad and not personally meant, Sarah, but that do not know we from so unfortunately unite other TV-contributions… Now, I hope, the intention to the contribution am VoIP positive, then are determine here many people ready make in addition a contribution. A linking mention of our forum naturally presupposed. 
Riot journalism cannot bear I no more. Thus only people are to announce themselves, have the problems or a “bad feeling”? It perhaps also mentioned which against it be undertaken can…. Is that approximate the profile, which looks for it? male, 25-35, neurotisch to psychologically unstably, a technique layman, conspiracy theoretician, SAT1-Nachmittag-Talkgeschdigt Would that be the ladies and Mr. Journalisten (??) genehm? @Jumaas, ask no Polemik… that is not goal-prominent also. Quotation:
Also are people heard, which have a good feeling? Then I will gladly explain, why I feel more surely waived with VoIP, as in the anlalogen fixed net. Now, I dare to place the original question in question… That runs nevertheless with transmissions of this kind in such a way that one sets trainees to new generation journalists to a topic, who investigate a powerful topic and finally end in an public-effective contribution. That is mostly a quite ungrateful job, since the actual editors contribute rarely technically much to it… I understand our task to offer to Sarah our support and our know-how so that a reasonable contribution comes off. @Sarah, would be in your sense? How can we help you to provide a founded and good contribution? The goal “does not find heard people” probably to reach will be so quite… --gandalf. Quotation:
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@gandalf, thanks for your offer, but it does not lie in my power the topic to change. Sorry. You probably meant antagonists Well, then holds us please nevertheless up to date, when the contribution is sent… and the offer stands further… You can pass that on times to the editors Much success! --gandalf. Quotation:
This kind of the question implies that for the contribution expert for generally accepted Informationenen one does not search, but only after reisserischen, paranoiden individual cases. Which if possible to be then medium-effectively represented are! Possibly I lie foellig wrongly however, if someone asks so a question on this kind, ring with me all alarm bells. I ask for the fact that for this report thoroughly and in all details one investigates and the problem under all criteria with the reality corresponding the emphasis analysis one represents. Yours sincerely, an anxious reader and spectator I find the idea which one directly on driven reported also not well!! One should first times the advantages etc. describe. , (many do not know times Voip) and however naturally also the dangers. , abr stop not only!! @ Planetopia Hello, to the acquisition the topic planned from surely founded knowledge to I recommend for the transmission the responsible person the reading of the contribution Eavesdropper at the wall Hear from Voice over IP telephone calls in the technical periodical c't, Number 9/2006. Also at this article the transmission will have itself measure to let. HTH @Fonfan: Unfortunately the target group of this transmission will not wahrschenlich mostly even know, what is c't. Those know for it better the computer picture 
@ Novize Naja, I had as reading material for those Macher the transmission suggested, but I be afraid, to apply your estimate of the reading nevertheless rather preferred likewise.
Mine, here is said and was given now everything to the Planetopia editorship plentifully Tipps and doubts were expressed. Which concerns, should come here now nothing more. I do not close the Thread however, so that Sarah can still call us the transmitter date and if still someone liked itself to express here, that in the transmission to word come - would be probably also interesting. As it becomes the contribution looks to Thursday, 04.05.2006 around 23.15 on Sat1 radiated: Topics of the transmission: - Internet Telefonie: Good deal or case of hearing? - Favorable laser printers: For whom are they correct? - Pimp my mobile phone: Thus the mobile telephone becomes the Jack of all trades Source: http://http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php/www.tvtv.de History took this course in Phon he forum... Stop for the sake of completeness. Many greetings, dock. Hello dock, is not that Multiposting and should be blocked  Furnish with you nevertheless a left to us and close the Thread with you SCNR Moin @Novize,the term explanation seems ausweislich it a Multiposting to actually concern… For the information of our users hab' I already set on you (same Topic), however our two forums have a left in my opinion already different objectives and different beginnings with clearly different information content. Therefore the Thread remains still open with us; perhaps announces itself nevertheless still someone, which wants to parlieren behind a Schattenwand with distorted or placed behind voice over its problems with VoIP…  Many greetings, dock. So seriously that was also not meant Times looks, what with the transmission rauskommt in such a way
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Without words *smile* Now to the Threadthema: Naja, which I read in such a way here over the transmission - I believe I become on it verzichen. VOIP is a much too recent and complex technology and in few minutes a Senungszeit to be represented. As already often here said, it can be not the correct beginning to deal only with dangers. Surely may not be ignored such a thing also, only one should begin beautifully from the front, and firstonce explain which VOIP is and like it functions. The newspaper “picture” is everywhere - also on all TV-channel Miwe I saw the Thread not until today, where had that hidden? To the topic: Quotation:
With all network carriers and Carriern (purely technically) all discussions can be monitored anyway. The large carrier must besides still to the state protection even anonymous entrance to hearing grant. Even still the customers themselves pay by their fees. The same applies for hearing the enamels. -> My conclusion: Hear from VoIP are theoretically possible, simpler are it at the road distributor the analog telephones of the neighbourhood to be monitored. Already times do the analog customers have t-copm in demand whether the fear of hearing to have? Therefore that is at present a populist topic. Power nevertheless times a transmission who everywhere and where can hear and may! voipd. HP: Bet remains existing: A box beer (in Germany purchasable) for that that me a discussion with cut of me sends! Operators of VoIP services are impossible and their member and other persons the contacts to this group have. PS2: If I that correctly white in Germany nearly more is heard than in the United States.  The protection of the constitution hears me anyway off well and? I do not hold important conversations eh across VoIP or mobile phone - separate only personally. Quotation:
However, the area may not forget after bugs abzuzuchen *smile*…. Ne, in Ernst: I handle that likewise in such a way, wenns become important then only personally. By telephone or by Mail go only things, which rather “larifarri” are… Miwe Around sky will, where you live? Sorry, but that is nevertheless old Tobak - not only in the Hessen country stands n' few server rum, which makes nix other one all day long. The interfaces are clearly defined, in addition gibt's either suitable triggers or full cuts, with all parameters, which the network carrier supplies supply must - all the same whether fixed net or Mobil. Suitably on a BizTalk surface aufgereit beautifully whole Gelaber or for passing on automatically passing on to the appropriate working on authority - which officials bekommt's as it were plups into its p.o. box on its Exchange, depending on who subscribes - as it were as in a “VB3”: P is nevertheless completely normal? I do not understand, where the problem lies? In's raster falls everyone times.
Surely that is old Tobak, ne Sauerei of isses nevertheless…. Terror fight was for me rather an excuse around the whole there to make official… Miwe och - I had already personal discussions with some “agencies of the German Federal Republic”. For a long time before there were VoIP to popular extent. Yes - I read also my state security service document. 142 sides - as West German one, which never was in the GDR. Thus does not frighten me sowas at all. That is completely normal for me. And I had actually never remembered to want to read sowas. I did not want “to normalize” it also. There are hundreds of scenarios, where I do not wish myself that a civil servant sounds himself my Gequat. Business does there still fewer pains, than absolutely private - ex.s to me, as I with my sweet one over the last night… Filling stop. That cannot be done anybody (!) which on. It is obvious however exactly contrary. I am only glad that here *noch* dmlich with the data one does not go around as as in US. There receives everyone would already normal-bleach for $150 all connecting data of the desired participant. As said - the situation is absolutely sad. My condolence to the document! So, in something under 3 hours is it so far! I am soooo strained! Perhaps someone has itself found ffentlichkeitsgeil is told actually and those the one of the horse. (perhaps even from this forum!!!) Otherwise there is also which to be, which prostituieren themselves for sowas. I place yourself already times a Bierchen coldly, certainly gives to ' s also still mad tips of with the customer card index file in the net. I let times the PC run along and note. According to videotex and planetopia.de does today not participate the topic VOIP. According to Internet already: http://www.sat1.de/service/tvprogram...ail&id=9647581 Greeting, Yielding pool of broadcasting corporations Aehm, wanted to only again state that it is actionism a transmission with the topic “hearing to make dangers with Internettelefonie”. That is nevertheless anyway in the “normal” telephone network normal. We look times. voipd. In the Vorwerbung two minutes ago ago was to be heard also nothing from VoIP to. Covers itself with the Posting of Rocky. http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php/www.tvtv.de says: Quotation:
With the title breaks in to me: Good deals for few, fingers of Providern let those not code and somehow for the mass-market still too complicated. We will see. voipd. Well, on a linking mention one needs to hope probably not.  Just as probably not on the fact that one announces itself here the Protagonisten to word…  Edit 23:17 clock: No, the topic does not participate now straight according to preview. 50min with BLUB wastes… WHAT WAS THAT?????????????????? I believe I for several years again times so a transmission saw and I hope those never bring a report over VoIP. All the same which say, which can only harm the small reputation of VoIP. Why does this transmission run actually late so? The target group nevertheless already is for 3.5 hours in bed? Gruselzitat with the Casemodding: “Which you need are multicolored cable straps…” voipd. Again times typically. Which did not come one intressiert times again. One knows the transmission in my eyes really verge *** n. But main thing “Peter” participated again. Greeting Manu Who knows, perhaps they noticed during the searches that the topic is somewhat thin and/or therefore tilted. Which target, have I nevertheless drunk my Bierchen, to laugh gabs also which… Which impressed me personally, was the reference that the warranty goes with the Case Modding flutes. And then the example: “If one with the screwdriver over the Main board scratches….” as if by the warranty or guarantee in the nichtgemoddeten condition one took off. But it seems probably really, as if they would not have found anybody, which felt heard with VoIP
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 George @voipd - *schulterklopf*; one cannot say more to it really . The “Protagonistensuche” was in numerous forums (what a luck) nevertheless in vain.
At least expert Peter showed times again, what is in him: of that waaahhhhnsinnig many enamels, (wg. Casemodding) arrived (loud camera-swivel were it straight 4 Mails ) it showed times pictures, thereby 1 Picture by Doppelclick opened and itself surprised that he did not get the others to face, which were still in the Mail in it with the picture and fax announcement. 
….my wife had me “forbidden” the transmission to look some time ago… *grinz* The reason: I actively me too much up, I should resign myself to the fact that the media often much *Sch ***** e erzhln…. To Peter: That has surely this reference at its “workshop door” Oh dung! Kombjuderraum! Area is vull to more under the Deggn with dollsdn and deiersdn elegdrischn and vullelegdronischn Abbarade. Stauna and itself veroorschn may dou each, more abber umanaderworschdln and to the Gnperl rumdriggn derfn bouss isch… Miwe Miwe Thank you for the reports - I know the transmission recording now ungesehen to delete…
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We as large and small experts know which for one let us weak-join tell! I assume also in other areas in similar transmissions in such a way the one weak-join tell. There it is not noticeable to me, because I am not in the areas an expert. That should make fear, and/or. reminds of “brainwashing”! So now still another little Nightwash, that is “Bloedsinn” purely, but with intention! voipd. Edit 0:35 clock: @supasonic: YES! Nevertheless thanks. voipd. HP: @supasonic: YES! Nevertheless thanks --- Edit of Christoph: Well, you do not become nevertheless “changing” - function ignore? . ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Edit Nr.2: Where does that come? I assembled straight everything and assembled the double post office to a Posting. You do not have the flag: “Contribution with the user in treatment” seen? Give me nevertheless at least 20 seconds time. @Christoph personally: Fits already Edit Nr.3: Thus it sees from if a Admin and a user together at a contribution rumbasteln. With the next time ask everyone beautifully in his corner. *gggggggg* Quotation:
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@ZoRi: Please within five minutes of two Einzeiler posts, there you cannot use calmly the changing function. I summarized your contributions times. I straight coincidentally saw that the whole is probably today sent (23: 15 o'clock on Sat1). Recording is programmed
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Can't one still prevent the Austrahlung?  voipd. We summarize thus: It is completely, completely dangerously - however only, if co-inhabitants hear. In addition, that can hold completely simply its ear by the door/wall… Oh: Irendwie do not seem to have really found those many people, feel - actually none threatened… Greeting, Yielding pool of broadcasting corporations How do we say north Germans to it? “Sabbelkram” Greeting George Good evening, which was very much surprised me is that the “Internet expert Peter” this held times correctly back. @onkel.georg dat heet “doing stuff”! Naja, which was not contribution as badly as expected. Greeting Moin moin, naturally not mentioned, how simple it is, “normal” similar discussions of neighbours to hear (which is comparable, with the mentioned possibility, in the own network VoIP “of hearing”)… There are enough a screwdriver and an age-old telephone, which are switched simply in the cellar parallel to the connection of the neighbour… IMHO around some more simply to be silent than the VoIP discussions of my co-inhabitants in the own net to hear (from the net of the neighbours completely )But as result: it said, actually everything was also correct much. Only: who (at least a little) is not been versed and thus not each word and each sentence understood, probably retains a negative impression of VoIP - although everything which was said rather for it as against it speaks. Luck up Dirk Quotation:
“Tddelkram” know ick ook still. Greeting George What is the matter with our Peter? That has VoIP to the topic even correct-proves in the trailer record said that hearing is relatively simply” possible only within the own net “… Humans Peter, I are correctly surprised. Perhaps it is one from here and did not dare to tell there still much Bldsinn
And it noticed to nobody except me that the alleged “proof” for “successful hearing” awkwardly falsified became? And stupidly in addition, therefore that was noticeable. That allegedly Belauschte said “in Ulm and over Ulm and around Ulm. “ The allegedly heard text was shown however with “in Ulm, over Ulm and around Ulm”! If one already amounted to the spectators wants, one should probably nevertheless over some bright its! Greeting from the CUXland Wulf Quotation:
Fun aside. The hearing topic, pure Quotenhascherei. With negative headlines also people switch on, which do not have anything with the topic at the “Huth”. To the hearing topic substance and Peter Huth were missing know also, therefore it was also embarrassing it a little. Gaaaanz stupidly is the man nu also not. Perhaps. I found the good deal topic and the saying of it better: “if Peter times a new jacket to buy would like”. If he did it times!  Greeting George Quotation:
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This within a network to hear is now times furnished with three Klicks, and thus I find it good if it am times brought up for discussion. In my opinion straight this topic is hushed up, which has naturally also its advantages, as long as the VoIP Provider did not insert safety devices. There are more “DSL divisor” as one thinks, about which then hardly to one of point as “surely” the house network is real. Quotation:
For rereading there is by the way the contribution also on-line: http://www.sat1.de/lifestyle_magazin...1318/index.php Greeting, Yielding pool of broadcasting corporations P.S.: Interestingly enough did no “concerning” come to word - perhaps could one find no such?
@susanne The Aufmacher was violent, the lax shown. Someone that not so well is been versed, could over-hear fast “network-internally” and accept the worst. To procure attempt you the contribution best and picture you your opinion Those do not have times one “feel found heard” Greeting Quotation:
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How also!? Here I would be unlocked for tips. Because I act daily in one sooooooo to open and uncertain house network! And ask yourself daily whether my passwords and VoIP discussions are along-cut. HP.: To her may not see everything so black, some must now times somewhat more sharply expresses to become. (in this case like said - according to my opinion not times the case) I would wish myself rather that VoIP Provider, email offerer and all “password interrogators” finally times to wake up and more for the security of its customers to do. PSS.: Is the IPPF password actually queried by HTTPS? Edit: straight still read Quotation:
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to the passwords I do not want to say anything, because there are surely different experts there (and forums)… But: is sure you that hearing of VoIP discussions is substantially more difficult, as hearing similar fixed net discussions. And nevertheless probably uses you for years, without you thoughts over it to have ever made… thus: proceed with VoIP exactly the same and do not feel not surely - however safer than before Luck up Dirk In the reason this transmission is to the dangers of VoIP of plakativer Nonsense, whereby it can be interpreted whether something was really said “wrong”. At least the “wrong” impression is aroused - not only in the transmission, but also in the transmission text under the indicated left: Quotation:
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VoIP does not certainly save certain dangers and likewise the classical Telefonie, if the house distributor sticks outside at the road at my house, but in the transmission the represented. Likewise monitoring is surely possible, however fortunately not for Planetopia, but only member of appropriate services. --gandalf. Quotation:
C&A started. Look for IP: ... IP select. Remainder automatically. Thats it. Stress lies on LAN! And within a house I can monitor everything anyway! Simply times quietly its, MP3 Player from the ears take and already white one with whom the neighbour telephoned. ... voipd. Quotation:
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And why don't you want to say anything to passwords? On the contrary VoIP Mitschnitte are simpler around some like Passwortsnipping (HTTPS sides to be there usually used) in the own network. With PW the problem is nearly only Mailaccountpasswrter! And this to be substantially more difficult is is pure Polemik, because exactly that opposite is the case - for similar hearing I must outside of my premises - or stop a line to pull. With VoIP and Passwortsnipping in own network it needs 3 Klicks and is already the “hacker”” “on transmission”. And if one knows exactly this, is nothing more also reliably puts back.
BTW: I think that am eaten in months eh an everything. As soon as AVM (*) inserts the coding becomes most Provider, as dus.net or sipgate it to make, pull tight. Then VoIP is just as safe  how the fixed net! IP to IP is then even still “secret” than each POTS telephone call.voipd. (*) Since it is the offerer with largest spreading. Quotation:
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And looks times, what is exposed in such a way there - begun of email passwords, still more sensitive data - because from it substantial damage result ability such as data traffic inclusive. Passwords to the own server and stop VoIP Mitschnitte. Faith me, if one sees this first time, what there with three Klicks can be attained, becomes it one briefly badly. There one begins then already times, and sets after each ftp session to the server new passwords.Do not misunderstand, to me generally goes it around the problem. Nobody scheert (offerers) itself drum, for this reason for also nearly rather is the fact that it is not reported (animates only) - however without reporting will not also change! HP.: Where your tips remain, whereby I can determine - whether I am listen to-free.
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Which I assume if one monitors then with C&A. For this reason I would have large interest in a guidance like I this “rausbekomme”. Thank you which has this discussion actually still with that Title of the Threads, before which [settled] stands, to do 
The discussion gives the necessary background knowledge to form own opinion to the possibilities of hearing presented in the contribution and not trust blindly in everything, and/or of disparaging which was called there. more @VoIP_Indianer, which has to do an Indian with VoIP.  Fun aside, which is search of the transmitter settled, but therefore one can further-discuss the topic and contents of this transmission nevertheless here.  Edit: Andreas was faster. Otherwise, or also as (as Andreas) said. @ Andreas, I get please a Kurzanleitung? Quotation:
But one our VoIP tests do not have already - AVM Fritz boxes (when example - other manufacturers are resulted in also better) are suited not for Indian Voip, because if one burns them, they do not produce, them for enough smoke for a long-distance call produce nothing else as a terrible Gestank. Quotation:
Times a few thoughts from me to it: 1. The level of the contribution was - was already determined as - frightening. “If the WLAN or is not only weakly coded…” My God, if I let the key for everyone well visibly be in the entry door, I may not be surprised, if a daily the house is eliminated. 2. Something similar applies to “hearing in the LAN”: If I do not trust my neighbour, I do not divide LAN with him. And even IF I trust it, I secure myself additionally off AT LEAST by small personnel a Firewall, which even a petrol normal user can use. And personally are to me there some more other means at the disposal. If I do not have the possibility for any reasons of securing me in such a way it is my choice nevertheless whether I me on the adventure “LAN sharing” inlet and this way evenly only “Low Security” - notice options or whether I without it completely does. Hundred percent of security does not give it within the computer range, that is a long-known fact. Also my safety precautions are to be overcome certainly somehow. But somehow I have the feeling that this kind of the reporting meets not the core of the thing and actually to nobody serves: - Property I a DAU as pro gangs, will probably hardly be been versed with LAN and with LAN sharing and will not employ already at all. That comes only into danger, if he has a “large brother”, who takes him to the hand and merges him in its LAN. If the rehearsing and is however so far dependent on a “large brother”, it is anyway delivered it - that can install pro gangs mostly anyway on the computer, which he wants: Root kit, Trojaner, Keylogger… we absolutely need everything with the reason “that for it.” - Property I pro gangs, who am been versed with the subject a little, normally is able to protect itself at least superficially and itself the danger consciously, into which it goes with the LAN sharing. That does not need such reports. - Unhealthy is only times again “recovers to smattering of knowledge”… and that is not certainly eliminated by reports of this quality.
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I e.g. designate me not from average network users, but of “click” to “solutions” ala C&A I experienced only here. Which I want to say, an average network user, go out of the fact that all relevant one (password inquiries in the net, email of calls and evenly VoIP) is always coded transferred. |
